Hersheypark feels like a small family owned
park… With a number of large, steel thrill coasters. There’s some genuine
backbone to the place which evokes an old fashioned, caring company that puts
their heart before, or at least in line with, their head. Hersheypark originally
opened as a leisure park for employees and families of the Hershey Chocolate
Company, which is the most wonderful thought in itself. Whilst the reality
today is business, the illusion carried on by the park’s accumulated history is
magical.
It’s a weird place, certainly not what I
expected it to be and far from a perfect park. In fact, despite how much I
truly love the place, there are very few obvious positive points to make. It’s
pleasantness rests mostly on the atmosphere. It’s very much an amusement park,
not a theme park, which surprised me on my first visit. This “family theme
park” is dominated by some very large, unthemed roller coasters, and they pay
particular interest to dressing them in strings of lights like a classic amusement
park of the golden era. Yet somehow, the park feels big budget too, and not
just because of it’s high entrance fee and expensive ride hardware. Like a nice
Blackpool Pleasure Beach, nice in that it’s clean and friendly and appropriate
for contemporary audiences. The
huge rides are cluttered and dance over your head and each other and every path
in such a way to really make you feel apart of the place and the carnival fun
it promotes. At night, the place truly comes alive. It all feels very honest,
very authentic, very friendly and nostalgic.
The main negative of Hersheypark is
operations. Staff are slow and they appear to recheck restraints on some rides
frequently. I couldn’t work out if this was part of procedure, or that
something was continually causing the need to recheck. Either way, loading is
slow on all the coasters, and that really is a big deal at a park as busy as
Hershey. There’s no sense of urgency that you find with employees at the other
big, busy, well renowned parks in the USA. Like Dollywood and unlike most other
amusement parks due to their seasonal nature, Hershey seems to hire a lot of
older employees. The lack of age discrimination is great, but the
impracticality of having older people do the most physically demanding job on park
of a ride attendant just seems daft and it’s painfully obvious that it effects
operations.
The park had another problem. It lacked
anything truly ground breaking, a signature attraction, a “destination ride” as
Theme Park Insider described it. Something that people talk about as being the biggest and
best thing at the park, something enthusiasts will travel thousands of miles to
visit. And for that reason, Hershey seems to get a little forgotten about.
Well, that could well have all changed now, with the opening of their first
coaster to reach 200ft in 2012, Skyrush. Perhaps a little long overdue…
Everyone involved with the industry is
familiar with variants of the comment “they should design a roller coaster that
is REALLY extreme” and we laugh it off because, well, they don’t understand… Do
they? You can’t just make a truly intense, truly scary ride, for health and
safety reasons! And because people would be being sick and dying from
undiagnosed, preexisting heart problems. Well, SkyRush is that really extreme
coaster that shouldn’t exist.
There are few truly terrifying roller
coasters out there. I could count the ones I’ve ridden on one hand, with digits
to spare, but SkyRush certainly makes the cut.
SkyRush is the latest in a long line of
seemingly ever-changing designs of Intamin’s mega coaster. The basic premise is
a ride that is about height, speed and lots of hills, producing insane negative
g-force that launches you from your seat. Negative and lateral g-forces, which
throw you up or sideways out of your seat, are far rarer on roller coasters and
are far more frightening than positive g-forces that pin you down. They mess
with that innate fear of falling out of the ride, of a restraint failing to
keep you in, and the body can withstand far fewer negative-g’s than it can
positive, so they seem more extreme. Intaride’s mega coasters receive a lot of
praise from the enthusiast community, with several of them always coming at the
top of any best steel coaster poll. A series of drops and hills is the original
roller coaster concept, terrifyingly re-envisioned in the bright yellow steel
mess that is SkyRush.
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A couple of years ago, Intamin opened
Intimidator 305 at Kings Dominion, a 300+ft monster with a new track style and
unusual layout. The ride has had truly mixed reviews, but there’s no doubting
one fact about it, it’s extremely intense. At the base of the huge first drop, a
section sustained positive Gs lasts so long it affects most people’s vision.
People report blacking out, but for the majority that’s a misunderstanding of
what blacking out actually means – loosing consciousness. It’s not that
uncommon for a ride to mess with my vision, especially on old Arrow loopers,
but the effects of plummeting 300 feet down into a banked turn makes my vision
flicker in waves before turning completely white, then returning as the train
crests it’s first hill. And I simply don’t know how to react to it… It leaves
you feeling vulnerable in those moments of blindness. I don’t know if that is
good or bad. The physical sensations for the entire drop and turn are pretty
weak, made more so by the distractions of having your vision taken away and the
panic that causes. At first this experience is terrifying, and on subsequent
rerides when you get used to it, just kind of annoying? But apparently, people
don’t tend to reride this beast, especially in the hot southern sun.
Intimidator 305 at Kings Dominion, photo by author.
SkyRush won’t do this to you. Oh no,
instead of psychologically messing with you by stealing your vision, it’ll
physically demand you invest all your energy struggling for your life.
SkyRush's industrial style structure.
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SkyRush doesn’t come across all that
intimidating, painted in sunshine yellow and sky blue. It’s structure clashes
violently with the colour scheme, with its solid, industrial looking lifthill
and wide trains. In the mish-mash, colour wins out, portraying a fun and happy
ride, and it’s bouncing track over the lake just really doesn’t look all that
intense. Whether that was intentional I’m unsure, was there was a disregard for
the visual aspects of the hardware and a misunderstanding of what the ride
experience would offer? And the name seems to do a bit of both, too. The idea
of flying around the sky is very much a tame and fun concept, whilst “rush” suggests
an extreme sensation. An article about Skyrush I found in Park World magazine
features an interview with Hersheypark’s general manager. He makes a whacky
comment or two that suggest the mismatch was intended. “Because Hersheypark is a family park, we wanted a ride that offered choices to the riders. The wingedseats meet those specifications…”
Wait, what? Where do I even start explaining
everything that is weird with this statement?
I forgot to mention SkyRush’s signature marketing
gimmick, the “winged” seating arrangement. That’ll be because it’s the least
interesting aspect of the ride and really serves no purpose other than to be a
burden to both guests and the park. Giving guests choices sounds cool, but the
reality is that by doing so you automatically make some seats more desirable
than others. What you’d imagine were SkyRush’s more desirable seats, the
outside “scary” ones, are not the ones most people will choose. See, people
want to sit with their friends, and that becomes priority over everything else.
So what happens? People sit in the middle two seats and leave the outside ones
empty, and with HersheyPark’s operations you can laugh away the idea that any
staff would be on top of things to correct that. Most theme parks have a space
where guests can queue extra for the front row for a reason, if you offer
guests a choice of seat you have to make allowances for their choices. How,
exactly, can I make a choice to sit on the wing? Even ignoring all this, the
difference in experience of sitting on the wings is rather minute, and, for the
majority at least, if you’re brave enough to ride it I’m pretty sure you’re
brave enough to sit wherever. Or worse still, I suspect most guests don’t even
take notice in the difference, other than that the seat is alienated back and
away from the middle two. The idea
that these winged cars offers guests a choice is just silly. And those same
cars B&M use on their hypers? Those are dumb too. But at least with the
loading on those, guests are arranged in twos with the back seats set further
back to clearly define them as a separate row. This reduces empty seats because
guests are forced to deal with the fact they are going to be separated from
their friend. But it’s still a stupid, pointless concept.
Look at all those empty outside seats...
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As for Hersheypark being a family park… I’d
argue that it is really not. The term “family” gets thrown around a lot in the
industry. Enthusiasts use it to refer to children’s parks, or well themed
parks, and the parks use it, hm, not really as a marketing tool, but rather a
lying tool when they realize a dip in certain audiences. But by my definition,
family means family. It means that toddlers, kids, teens, adults and
grandparents are all accounted for, fairly equally. It means that a decent
number of attractions need to entertain most of that spectrum at the same time,
and that some of those should be major attractions. Hersheypark’s idea of
family is to treat its waterpark rides as part of the main list of attractions
and boast transportation rides and a carousel. Wow! What exciting and fun family
attractions! But a more ludicrous idea is that SkyRush is a family coaster. Hershey
has odd height restrictions; you have to be 60” (that’s 1.5m) to ride Skyrush
and a couple of other coasters alone. That’s the highest height restriction I
think I have ever come across, why is it so high?! To ride with an adult, you
have to be 54” (1.4), which is standard “big coaster” height. Family coasters,
in my mind, should max at 1.3m, but ideally need to be 1.2 and under. And then
of course there’s the fact that SkyRush is one of the most intense rides built
this decade… It isn’t suitable for some of the adult group, let alone granddad
or some young teens, and I’m not one to underestimate the bravery of kids!
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With it’s dull station of generic Aemerican architecture, a plain
building with a clock tower, (what is this, a sky train? Are we going on a
magical choochoo journey through the clouds?) SkyRush really doesn’t seem to
make much of an effort to build up interest amongst potential riders. Perhaps
that’s the point. I’ve alluded to the idea that maybe the aesthetic design was
specifically chosen to dumb it down or bring doubt, to encourage the timid to
ride it, and then blow them away? But what does that really achieve other than
put some people off roller coasters for life? My mother rode Air, Alton’s
delicate flying coaster, because of the way it presented. Had it fed a ride
experience so unlike it advertised, she’d be put off rides for life. The way a
coaster presents itself can enhance the ride experience, and perhaps that’s why
SkyRush is so terrifying?
SkyRush's queue.
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The queue line is a dreadful, generic one
which weaves back and forth with nothing to look at. You can’t see the ride, or
really any other rides, or anything. As you head up stairs into the station, we
encounter a design flaw that contributes to the disaster of the loading efficiency.
It’s TOO small in here, and both the queue and the boarding gates obscure the
view of the train the whole time you’re in there. Guests have no chance to
watch and learn how to board, and that would be fine if there was no room for
error or if hosts helped organise and load people. So what would fix this?
Enter the station from above and go down? Have less queue on the station
platform? Have a staff member directing people into rows from the queue end? Have platform staff alert and getting
people to fill all available seats? Any one or combination of these would help!
This station is SO small that guests offload on the same side they board… Why?!
Just why? I don’t understand the argument that the wooden coaster Comet is in
the way. (KNOCK IT DOWN! …Actually, no! Wait! It’s awesome! That was a joke!) Why
didn’t they just design it to reside over a metre or two, away from Comet? It’s
not like the huge midway path outside of Skyrush was at risk of being obscured.
Or alternatively, have two stations, one to load and one to offload? Why not have
the queue go over the train sat in the station, thus showing people how the
seats are set up, and then load on the far side? How would that have taken up
any more room? And the bag storage system is over-complicated. There’s absolutely
nothing wrong with bins, you didn’t need to make them spin and complicated and
time consuming.
The plain, small station.
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Sitting on board, you’ll find the outside
seats are really not that far from the centre. Your inside foot will touch the
floor of the train, which kind of kills that floorless feel. Truth is, I’ve
never been all that impressed with floorlessness anyway. And unlike the outside
seats on the foorless Diving Machines or true Winged coasters, you don’t get
that weird alienated sense of being really far from the track. So I wasn’t sure
what, if anything, these winged seats were for.
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You pull the restraint down and they are
extraordinary, with full upper body freedom to lean forward or hang out the
train sideways and little to grip hold of, should you need to (you will). For
those who are intimidated, it might heighten their fear, whilst for myself it’s
excitement of having freedom and comfort to truly enjoy the aerial dance about
to take place. And we’re off, pulled out the station so fast you might be
mistaken for thinking this is launched. The train races towards the sky, not
with the classical, slow, clanking of a chain lift, but a silent woooosh. The
train crests the hill and immediately my breath was taken away as I am flung
from my seat. I assume for most riders, this sensation sparks the instinct to
grab hold of the restraint in fear of not just falling out, but being forcibly
thrown to your death. However, that moment of freedom was immediately stolen
from me by the lapbar I had praised the moment I sat down. I’m only held in
place because my leg bones are just, and only just, strong enough to not snap
under the pressure. Unlike other designs, which hold you at your waist, or
preferably by lying flat against the thigh, this digs into your mid-upper
thigh. It’s as if, under the restraint, is a metal pole, and every time
negative G-Force throws you the opposite direction from the train, ouch! It’s
no exaggeration to say that SkyRush hurts.
From then on, you’re distracted by this
fact. See, I’m so used to riding roller coasters now that I have to consciously
make a decision to pay attention when riding. I’m at the point where I can
ignore the forces and visuals of most rides with ease, and choose to have a
casual conversation with the person next to me, as if riding the bus. Theme
parks have become less about rides and more of a hobby and a chance to see and
spend time with friends. But my experience of riding Skyrush is like a high
speed movie chase, where I’m clinging desperately to the roof of a vehicle
whilst it swerves trying to fling me to my death… AND I’m being shot at. I’m
distracted by the discomfort on my legs, but where on most coasters that
distraction would leave me with a nulled experience, on SkyRush, it’s not
enough fully remove me. The chaotic exasperation of desperately trying to
remain upright, in a position where I would be least affected by the restraint
pressing on my leg, before the next element tries to forcibly remove me from
the train is… Horribly exciting?
One of SkyRush's trains trying desperately to get rid of it's riders... Note the lack of hands in the air.
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How do average guests experience SkyRush? I
imagine that the average coaster experience is for some not unlike the chaos I
experience riding something like SkyRush, so to imagine how these “extreme”
rides, which are so few and far between, are felt by normal folk is kind of
mind boggling. Though perhaps, what makes SkyRush extreme are expectations only
enthusiasts have? Do people understand why this ride is so shocking? What sets
it apart? And by extension, feel what I feel? Or maybe, the experience of any
coaster is far more universal than I imagine? Increasingly I’ve noticed a
public preference towards Intamin coasters over B&M, certainly at thrill
parks anyway. The reception of Swarm at Thorpe Park, which is ultimately a
graceful beast dressed up to look scary, has been one of disappointment. “It’s
not long enough” or “it’s not very intense” or “it’s not very scary” seem to be
quite common opinions I’ve heard from non-enthusiasts.
Guests buckle under the forces and cling on for dear life.
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I had the pleasure (PAIN?!) of night ERT on
Skyrush thanks to the organization from CoasterForce and the kindness of
Hersheypark for offering it to us. And what that enabled me to do was to
experience the ride in a way guests usually do not. But my first ride was
attained through normal daytime queuing experience and so I was able to write
this review the way I have. So here’s what I realised through repeated rides,
which were so numerous I lost count…
The pain, though distracting and bruise
causing, was not so horrible it made me want to stop riding at any point. Maybe
that should read, SkyRush is so good, that at no point did the pain make me
want to call it a night. Where I’ve sat out of reriding other painful coasters,
because they hurt my head or make me feel sick or rattle my insides in a
sensation not unlike bad indigestion, SkyRush’s pain is the kind that, if
anything, enhances the ride. It’s overkill, don’t get me wrong – I want those
restraints changed from their original design, but it’s the same kind of
discomfort you find on say, The Ultimate at Lightwater Valley. The pain is
caused in part by poor design, but also because the ride does such an
outstanding job at feeling wild and out of control. And no matter what they do
to those restraints, it’ll always be that kind of ride. You may always come off
it with a bruise and the exhaustion in your mid-section of struggling to stay
upright, no matter if the restraints were perfect.
It is possible to reduce the pressure to
your legs. Arguably you shouldn’t have to, but in a strange way, doing so
enhanced the ride in other ways. By gripping either side of the
over-the-shoulder bars that hold the lapbar in place, and pulling upward,
forcing your body down into the seat firmly, I found I could avoid the pain.
And in doing so, pay attention to a world previously unseen, as I bounded
around and over the lake below. SkyRush’s layout is arguably an uninspired
mess, like a spooked, bucking rodeo horse. There’s not a sense of quality
design, but of a fluke. I have a thing about coasters that feel poorly
designed, and I like how I’m never sure whether the sense of chaos is
intentional or genuine. And perhaps only because this chaos is so rare, I enjoy
it. Other participants in the ERT session found various ways of dealing with
the leg pressure, likely due to varying body shapes. Some would prefer the
inside seats and push against the floor. Others held their legs out stretched. Whether
you choose to fight SkyRush, or let it treat you like a rag doll, you won’t
ever truly win. And even after countless rides and a familiarity with the
layout, I was still never quite prepared for the physical onslaught.
So, is SkyRush good or bad? It’s…
incredible? But that doesn’t answer the question, does it? I think time will
have to be the judge. If chaotic coasters like SkyRush were more common, maybe it
wouldn’t be anything special? It’s power is impressive, but is there more to
it? Is there a quality to it? And it’ll be interesting to see if/when they
replace the restraints it makes a real difference. SkyRush shot into many
people’s favourite spot for its unbridled airtime, but I personally think it’s
less about the airtime and more about the chaos of a ride experience that
still, after all these years, made me shit my pants a little. I was scared
throughout that ERT of being thrown out, truly scared of my restraint failing.
Worried that me pulling on it was contributing to the likleyhood of that
happening. This is not a mindset I’m familiar with. Basically, I’m really not
sure how I feel about it. I think it’s almost definitely the best ride the park now has
to offer. But Hersheypark is my favourite park, regardless of their attractions not really blowing me out of the water until now, so I will certainly be going back. Maybe one day there
will be a follow up review that deals with the ride more objectively instead of
this waffling expression of emotion you almost certainly didn’t come here for.
Well written and informative. I really want to ride this beast before major changes are done, like I did with Intimidator 305 (which when originally opened was crossing the border of not being re-rideable) but it may not be possible.
ReplyDeleteThanks for you input and love to hear from enthusiasts across the pond.
With i305 my overall number 1 (the original incarnation was honestly so much I could only take a few rides per visit) and Skurush right there at number 2, I think we have a lot in common my friend. So very well written and covers all the nuances, feelings, recommended tweaks, but also glory that is this ride.
ReplyDeleteTotally idiotic article which is why the 'author' is unnamed. I have been going to Hersheypark for 10 years. It has tons of live entertainment, an aqua theater, roving bands and several low and moderate speed coasters. It has a few thrill rides which are awesome like Skyrush. Skyrush and I305 are the most intense rides ever. I just rode Skyrush today and they fixed the seat problem. I'm sorry if granny can't ride it.
ReplyDeleteThat's crap. Just rode it yesterday, and problem is just as described. The article is directly on point.
DeleteThis article is AWESOME. It so perfectly describes my feelings on this ride, every nuance, it's all exactly how I felt when I rode it last June. Did Hershey Park know what they were getting? Honestly, at first I hated it, but precisely because it scared the crap out of me, which no coaster has ever been able to do since I was eleven. It made me feel like a pansy. But after riding it twice more... well, it's like you said, it's incredible. But do I like it? I'm not sure. I can declare my undying love for rides like the Phoenix, partly because they're like an old friend, they bring me pleasure, our relationship is a positive one. Skyrush feels like it hates me, murderously so, like it wants nothing more than to throw me into that lake and drown me. It isn't exactly a "pleasant" experience. And yet it's terrifying and like nothing else which is exactly what I want from my amusement park experiences, so I guess I love it by default!
ReplyDeleteYou know what though? It's too short. Like EVERY coaster at Hershey (except for maybe the three woodies).
I also wonder if a) the GP "gets" the ride, like you said, and if it'll remain popular with them over time, and b) if more rides are going to start being built like this. It isn't hard to imagine a ride doing everything Skyrush does except longer and better.
I heard they slowed the lift hill down this season, and that it doesn't effect the ride too much. I hope that's true, since if the craziness was toned down AT ALL, this ride would have basically nothing to offer.
Nice article! I've finally got to ride Skyrush yesterday. The park was almost "empty" (kids field trips and other like myself, trying to get in a vacation and park experience, that allows maximum ride time)Walked straight to Sky Rush, wait times 15-30 minutes. I really didn't know what to think after riding and rode a second time, but by then the crowd had decided that that was the ride to ride, and so we moved on to the Great Bear, Storm Runner, Fahrenheit, and Lightning Racer. In the middle of the day the question was asked which is your favorite... I really at that moment couldn't decide. I wanted to say Skyrush but after 2 rides, I really didn't know that I wanted to ride it over and over, more prefer the albeit short Storm Runner at that point. But I could feel my insides craving to say Skyrush... the speed, the insane air time of each hill, to it clearly trying to throw me out of the car flipping left then right at the end. I was completely surprised by the lack of hands being raised and got to admit, the first airtime hill and going into the second high speed turn my hands fluttered, mind racing should I steady myself on the handle bars... Deciding to keep them up then that last bank before the end scaring the heart of me, sending my hands quickly to the grips... This was all I was thinking, do i like this over storm runner? Lets head back to Skyrush and after 3 more times and another 3 times at the end of the day. Skyrush has got to be the best of HP and best I've been on. It captures an almost perfect balance of speed, airtime, and fear. And of course the obligatory pain in the thighs, but honestly after 12 Storm Runner, and 5 Fahrenheit trips with my hands up, my shoulders hurt a lot more today then my thighs and it was nice to have the freedom of Skyrush at the end of the day. Front Seat was the way to go IMO, the rush of wind and unobstructed view are not to be missed.
ReplyDeleteIf heading to Hershey Park, make sure to go first week of June on a Tuesday. From 10-8 we got on 31 coaster rides: 25 of those were Storm Runner, Fahrenheit, Skyrush with Great Bear and Lightning Racer rounding it out the rest. It was an awesome day to coaster.
Hands up my friends.....its truly the way to go.....the key is having them raised before you leave the station and begin your ascension. If not, you ascend so fast, you very easily can lose nerve to raise them up before peaking the crest. With hands up, you also alleviate most of the pressure on your thighs as the lap restraint will get tighter throughout the ride from the very pressure you put on it holding on for dear life. My advise - wrap your legs back under the seat, free fall and let the positive and negative Gs bend/stretch/crunch you and just flow with it - its amazing! And yes the front is max!!!
ReplyDeleteExcellent article. Just rode Skyrush yesterday for the first time, on the way out of the park, after riding almost every other coaster there. My companion and I found this coaster exhiliratingly terrifying, in a class totally separate from every other coaster at Hershey, and for all the reasons outlined here. We wondering if maybe we were just fatigued after a long day or something, so I'm glad to have some outside confirmation on this.
ReplyDeleteI live really close to Hershey, so I go a lot and SkyRush is very painful. It gives you whip lash :(
ReplyDeleteNo it doesn't. I rode it last week and the restraints were very comfortable, They do tighten on u as u gain g force but all restraints on coasters do. Also, after the brake run, the lap bar loosens ny a couple of inches, at least when I rode it (twice in the front row)
DeleteAgree with everybody. Skyrush and I305 are the ultimate. The speed at the top of the Skyrush lift hill has since been slowed to reduce the leg press. That is good and bad. Being whipped over the top of the lift hill was thee closest experience to a near death experience in my entire life.
ReplyDeleteThis article is alright but I think that there is too much negative criticism to this coaster and the park. Skyrush is amazing is an amazing ride and it is guilt to be intense not keep sensitive people healthy. And I found some of the criticisms to be pointless and there just to bring down skyrush. "…seats kill the floorless feel even though I've never even impressed with pointlessness anyway". Really? Then... why did you even bring that up?
ReplyDeleteAlso, the winged seats are not supposed to give the sensation of being "off the track". They are there to provide a sensation of "riding the edge" or just off the edge of the track, like you could fall off it. HELLO, ever heard of the slogan of Skittish? "Ride The Edge". Duh. Overall, most of the statements about the park were relatively on point.
Also, I HAVE ridden this coaster, just to add to my comment so I have cleared up that my opinions were from my amazing experience on this coaster (TWICE in the front row)
DeleteGreat review of Hersheypark and Sky Rush. I think Hersheypark is one of the best parks and Pain Rush is the worst coaster I have ever experienced.
ReplyDeleteDepending on where you sit or the phase of the moon, Sky Rush can be tolerable or it can be unbearable. Three years I tried to reconcile with this coaster. Never again. Leviathan, Behemoth, I305, Millenium Force, Volcano, B&M inverted like Great Bear are great Steel Coasters and many are Intamin Hershey's three wood coasters are great too, especially Wildcat which provides all of the out of control feeling and airtime without crossing the line. In my opinion, Thigh Crush is the worst coaster ever. There are not enough warnings with respect to the negative G forces and the leg pain. I am surprised Hershey has not addressed these issues the way Cedar Fair did with I305 and Maverick; and obviously with changing to B&M for most of their big coasters since those mistakes.